Doctrines and Denomination

I stated in an earlier post that religion can at times come between people everywhere. Sometimes the reason this happens is because most folks like to listen to some religion because their family or friends have always gone to this or that church. Or perhaps what is taught seems to be correct in their understanding of the gospel. I’m very certain that everyone who can should study their bible as much as they are able.

Making time for the word of God when possible isn’t too much to ask.  My reason for saying this is that I’m sure everyone could find something different from what was preached to them. I want to address an issue had with an ex bible study friend. We are still friends even if we disagree on scripture.

It’s ok because I also disagree with my in-laws on the Rapture theory. We are all the same. Born in sin and beast of the earth. God is fair and just so how is it except for those living through tribulation can you be with Christ without facing death first? ie., Being all the same, why do some feel they are so special they will fly away always leaving others to suffer?  Wouldn’t that be bias?

The problem is the like of understanding. My bible study friend claims once we die we are dead as in the end. That it is by resurrection of our dead bodies that we return.  He pointed out that when Christ and disciples resurrected the dead none of those resurrected spoke of anything they saw or experienced in their death. Along with other verses he made a strong case on behalf his religion. This was the matter of an earlier post which was taken down upon further understanding. What kind of understanding? The bible needs discernment of what, where, when and why by the reader. The subject matter is very important. I’ll start with a verse shown me by my friend.

Ecclesiastes 9:

 ³This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

 ⁴For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

 ⁵For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

FQ: At 9: 3 The subject is mankind’s life under the sun. Son of man is descendents of Adam, who was told he would die for disobeying God. The day Adam took of good and evil he died. If a day with the lord is a thousand years Adam was over nine hundred years old but didn’t make it one whole day as he was told. His body was also condemned to return to the dust from which he came. This verse ends stating that what we are in life regarding evil and madness we take to our death. What we do make up our works for judgement.

FQ: At 9: 4 It states that it is better to be alive than dead. Joined to all living implies our spirit as well. The living have a chance to repent and come to God. But once we die what we have done in our life will be what our judgement is based on. In other words don’t let your chance to repent and turn to God pass you up while your alive.

FQ: At 9: It states we die are dead know nothing and are forgotten. Understanding that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven makes this clearer. You may recall that after his resurrection those with Christ didn’t recognize him. This is the difference between the physical and spiritual body. The physical body knows it is alive. When it dies it returns to dust. That is the end of the body. So what’s left. The spirit. But wait what about those who died during the time of Christ?

FQ: The subject now is who is Christ and what was he sent to do? Other than peaching the good news of the kingdom Jesus came to defeat death. He died so death would be no more. So add this up. Before Christ mankind was subjected to the total death given by Satan the Devil. But after his death for our sins Christ put an end to death. So at death our spirit now returns to one of two places in heaven. Yes heaven, because heaven is where God is. However this stay is a holding of sort awaiting a great throne judgement. The dead in Christ rise first because the living are still on the earth and the dead are with him and God in heaven awaiting judgement of our works.

 9: ⁷Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

Was there a time before Christ that the dead’s spirit stayed in the grave? We can be certain of one thing.  At the time of his death Christ knew that there was more to the death than just being dead.

Luke 23:  ³⁹And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.  ⁴⁰But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? ⁴¹And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

 ⁴²And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

 ⁴³And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Adam, Eve and Satan the Devil

                                                                      

The story of the garden of Eden is thought to be well known. But is it?  Many were taught that it had something to do with a snake and apples. Well, the word apple is not even in the actual story. Apples have nothing to do with what happened in the garden of Eden. So what really happened?  We can only pray for understanding as we read and Bible and study to explain what really did happen in the garden of Eden. Without understanding what really happened we miss out on so much information that we need to know to better understand God’s word.

                                          

If you never heard the story told like this before it may come as a shock to you what really happened. Yet we must not be shocked at the truth of God’s word. What you will read will be graphic at times but it was always there that’s the way it is. We can never let God’s word be to graphic for us. If we do, then we are getting to self righteous for God and He doesn’t like that.

Ecclesiastes  7: ¹⁶Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

One other thing that we need to remember is God uses symbology in His words. Now we all know that snakes do not talk. This is not some special talking serpent but a name given to the Devil. Satan is given many names in the bible.

Revelation 12: 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 9: ¹¹ They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

FQ: So now we know Satan was in the garden of Eden. That can be found in Ezekiel 28: where it talks about Satan before and after his fall.

Ezekiel 28: ¹³ Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

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FQ: So Lucifer was given the job of caring for the throne of the almighty God, creator of all things. After wanting God’s throne and being found unworthy of heaven he is cast down upon the earth. We know this because of what we read in Ezekiel 28: 13

Genesis 3: 1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

FQ: Are we talking about real trees here?  Many times people are spoken of in the bible as seeds or trees meaning symbolic of people. Lets take a quick look .

Matthew 13: ²⁴Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: ²⁵But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

 ²⁶But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. ²⁷So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? ²⁸He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

²⁹But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. ³⁰Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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FQ: Christ gives the meaning of this at Matthew 13:

Matthew 13:  ³⁵That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. ³⁶Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

 ³⁷He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; ³⁸The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; ³⁹The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. ⁴⁰As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matthew 13: ¹³ But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Jeremiah 17: 7  Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
17: 8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

FQ: Tree means to fasten (or make firm), i.e. to close (the eyes). It also means the spine (as giving firmness to the body) backbone. So we are not really talking about a tree at all. We are talking about Satan. He is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan invented evil as he was the first one to sin which can be read in Ezekiel 28:14-15. We can also see that it was their nakedness which they covered. Prior to sin they where not ashamed.  

Genesis 2: 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

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FQ: In Corintians 11:2 God states he is a jealousy God. Who had espoused Eve, as seen at 11: 3 to one husband to be presented as a virgin to Christ. Had Adam and Eve obeyed God their children would have been free of a direct sinful bloodline. However it states at 11: 3 that the Devil beguiled Eve. Meaning she was totally suduced by Satan to a point the simplicity of Christ could be changed by another Christ or spirit or gospel. One you just might accept.

2- Corintians  11: ²For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 : ³But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 ⁴For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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Genesis 3: 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Genesis 3: 4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. 3: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

FQ: Prior to sin Adam and Eve’s decisions were made with and in innocence. However after sinning their choice’s were made with the knowledge that illmoral sin’s of the flesh through their knowledge of good and evil would produce manifastations of fleshly desire. 

Genesis 3: 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

FQ: Some say scripture is simple and a child could understand. I hope this means to just take a close look at things in a very simple way. Let’s look at this. The woman saw the tree was good for food. What was the food? Knowledge. It pleased her sight, meaning she like the way it looked. That it was desirable to gain a form of wisdom and she per-took of it.

To eat or take of implies that Satan, Eve and Adam took part and shared in a sinful action which presented knowledge of not only what was good but that which was evil was now known. That knowledge was more than eating a fruit because it wasn’t their mouth’s which they covered with fig leaves afterward.

Genesis 3: 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Genesis 3: 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

FQ: Understanding the serpent is Satan. He is also the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Beguiled means to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce. Satan by twisting God’s word with his lies and the power he has by being supernatural seduced Eve. Satan is very crafty and as we read in Revelation 12:9 he is the one that deceived the world.

                                          

Genesis 3: 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

3: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is God’s way of letting Satan know He thinks he is the lowest form of life ever created. Enmity means to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile. Seed means seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity. This tells us that there will be hostility between Satan’s children and Eve’s children.

Satan’s child Cain, will grow up and become the first murderer. Satan’s offspring in time will bruise Jesus Christ’s heel when they nail Him to the cross. Eve will have two children, Cain and Abel but they do not both have the same father. Adam is Abel’s father while Satan is Cain’s father. Later when we take a look at Adam’s genealogy we shall find that Cain is not mentioned. That’s because Adam is not Cain’s father, Satan is.

John 8:  ⁴²Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 ⁴³Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 ⁴⁴Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 ⁴⁵And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Creation And Three Earth Ages

                                            

Let’s share a view from Hebrew interpretations. Have you ever heard that there was an earth age before this one? That the earth is really millions of years old?  Or that there was a time that we all lived on this earth in spiritual bodies?  Here’s how it’s explained as we take a look at the first earth age and why God destroyed it. The Next earth age is said to last forever. It includes the thousand year rein of Christ and a great judgement of who will remain and who won’t.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

FQ: God does not give us a year when He did this, just that He did it “In the beginning”. The earth is not 7000 years old as some claim but many millions of years old. The dinosaur bones and fossils that are found date back more than 7000 years and are from an earlier earth age.

The word ‘was’ means hayah (haw-yaw); to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass. The words ‘without form’ means tohuw (to’-hoo); meaning desolation, a worthless thing;, in vain. The word ‘void’ means bohuw (bo’-hoo); meaning to be empty, a vacuity, an undistinguishable ruin.

Isaiah 45:18
V18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Genesis 1: 2   And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

FQ:  It appears - God did not create the earth without form and void but it became that way. Heres what we know from scripture. Words between God and Satan.

GOD – Genesis 1: 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

FQ: The word “perished” means apollumi (ap-ol’-loo-mee) to destroy fully (to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively. God destroyed fully that earth age with a flood. This is not talking about Noah’s flood which happened in this earth age because it was not destroyed fully.

FQ: The dinosaur bones that are found today are from the first earth age when dinosaurs walked the earth. Dinosaurs are talked about in God’s word by God Himself in the book of Job 40:15-24 and all of chapter 41.

GOD – Isaiah 14: 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! : 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of GOD: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

FQ: We read in the book of Psalms that God’ throne sits to the North. Sentence is passed.

GOD – Psalms 75: 6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. : 7 But God is the judge: He putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Satan – Isaiah 14: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH.

GOD – Isaiah14: 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

FQ: Lucifer before rebelling against God was perfect. He was smart and beautiful.

GOD – Ezekiel 28: 2 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

FQ: The word “Tyrus” means rock. Satan is the false rock, false religion and false Christ.

GOD – Ezekiel 28: 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

FQ: Lucifer’s job was around the very throne of God. Stones of fire is God’s altar.

GOD – Ezekiel 28: 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

GOD – Ezekiel 28: 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

FQ: Lucifer was perfect in God’s eyes until evil was found in him. Because of his rebellion and the fact that a third of God’s child followed him, it is believed God ended the first earth age. Please note that the real children of God refers to angels. This teaching suggests presently that these are  human souls. However that appears likeing to scripture. More later on why.

Revelation 12: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. : 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth.

FQ: It is believed God ended the first earth age and started the one we are living in now, the second earth age.  God want’s to find out within his creation of man who loves and will follow Him and who is going to follow Satan. There is no middle road on the path to eternal life.

FQ: It is written many times in the bible that God has chosen certain people all through time as his elect. The 144,000 spoken of in the book of Revelation are such people. It is believed we all lived in the first earth age. This is reflected by God’s word which states regarding some, that they were chosen before the foundation of the earth by him for working in fulfillment of prophecy.

II Peter 3: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

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Futurequest :  A futurequest point of view:

 Although it is clear that God spoke of events before the time of Adam and Eve and the fact dinosaur bones date to the million of years to the past, we can easily believe what the bible teaches. What isn’t confirmed at this point is that any but the elect are spoken of being before the foundation of the earth. Perhaps the elect were there before creation but it seems more often than once that mankind is spoken of as a form of plant or tree. Something to be planted or in this case was created and allowed to grow into either a child of God or a child of the Devil for a great harvest of this age.

To claim Satan and company were cast out to the earth and only good souls were placed in human bodies to be tested leaves out the fact if they were with God and weren’t cast out with Satan. They were already accepted by God. It seems very likely that perhaps other angels were placed on the earth through child-birth as Christ and they are the elected of God. We know some will be brought before antichrist for a testimony of Christ. The bible teaches that the whole world will worship the beast.

 Revelation 13:  ⁸And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

FQ: Some say antichrist will be a murderer some suggest that he will decieve the world through peace and kindness. These opposite view have the following verse to consider. Does should be mean needs to be or must be? Additionally at revelation 6: 9-10 those on the earth are spoken of and they don’t appear to be pre-selected from the foundation. For some who feel a kind deception will be used. Please read revelation 13: 11 below.

 Revelation 13: ¹⁵And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Revelation 6: ⁹And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

 ¹⁰And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6: ¹¹And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 We wanted to cover the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek translation of words on creation in part before moving on to Adam and Eve. The related meaning of words translated here again are Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and are from original bible transcripts. There are other cross references to events and an age before the foundation of the earth. It might work best to up date the connecting scripture in the future. If it requires more room we’ll repost a part two.

THIS THING WITH MANKIND

              HINDS COUNTY MS.

It’s bad enough to reminded yourself you’re not perfect. It’s worse for me to have a Bible study friend tell you the same. With the way things are going on all over the world and any attempt to share God’s word a person would be best to avoid personal matters in the mix. Not because it’s personal but because it takes time and work-space away from scripture. It is important now to set a few things in order. The mix in these matters are somewhat direct as an evident evil act.

Futurequest, started as a blog to voice concern over the BP oil spill. The concern rose for two reasons. 1. With all the good ideals to stop the oil flow all were rejected and 2. Any thought that somehow the average person was going to get much of anything in the way of money they were half right. If you never understood the Class-Action lawsuit your about to get a close look.

Presently involved in something abusively odd here is my personal battle with Satan. My name is Robert Marie and if you viewed our other site regarding these lawsuit matters you’d think I couldn’t be the same person. It’s about the anger of being abused by a corrupted system of government with no release in sight and my human desire for justice.  I’ll be brief. 

On October 28th,1995 as major corporations release a toxic cloud which travels to rural Angie, Louisiana it lands on our home destroying all our property. Not wanting us to mess up their class action attorneys threatened, had us arrested and had taken our child away for not having a home which was destroyed by the corporations. Yes you read this right.

 We were removed violently from any actions against the defendants over injuries and property loss and damages. Actions against us were held by officials from both the state of Mississippi and Louisiana. We were dumped in Hinds County MS. for use by attorneys and judges to whatever personal gains could be had. All the while I’m seeking understanding of God’s word, my futurequest. What is so testing are the facts that all requested relief is denied and repeated attack occur when our awards are tampered with on behalf the courts proven and failed class trial.

                                     

In 1998 it was decided that we would not live longer than the year 2000. In August of 1998 after being removed by threats the court uses my injuries to collect $ 84 million dollars in an offer from Vicksburg Chemical of Vicksburg Mississippi.

In early 1999 a trial was held to divide all awards among attorneys and the court. When the Class trial fails  all awards are placed on my family of three as reflective of the final names on the title of court actions that being mines my wife and child.

 

Never given any relief in the matter as officials of state of Mississippi continue a controlled and waiting game which seeks our death with our child in state custody. Now that’s enough of that for now. This wicked thing has hindered getting new discoveries out, something we’ll be working on.

The matter of BP brought to mind the words from Revelation and a previous belief that Reagan fit the profile of coming in peace and basically set the stage for all present events. I wrote of this possibility on a post titled Fact Faith and Four Horse’s. The Bible well teaches that man can not serve man and God. This would cause a hate of one over the other. I now realize the truth of these words and a hate of what man has become. This in turn hinders everyday of my life. This anger is my down fall. My sin for taking any part to fight over things of this useless evil world. We are somehow being used to maintain a well of monetary wealth afforded the family and friends of the court not the victim of the negligent release of toxins. God has the final say so what is this thing with mankind?

The last thing anyone should do is share anything not supportive of scriptural backing with others. In trying to share what is of true value to spirit and soul relationships and certain friendships can come to an end over individuals beliefs. Just like in the middle East it happens here all the time. It’s really sad, as children of God we still hold a love of sort but it is different. From overheard Bible stories at 9 with a constant interest God’s word was there. In depth studies beginning in 1984 till present has revealed this will be nothing like a movie. Nothing like everyone might want to believe. And it will be just as the Bible recorded it all and not as many would have you belief. We will not know it all till after the thousand years with Christ.